Sunday, August 29, 2010

SNP Wakes Up: Time to Rally!

Has the SNP realised that it is not in the business of devolution management but independence? We are starting to see some signs that the leadership will highlight the cause of independence at the Holyrood elections in May next year.

SNP to push independence at poll

Anyone who has read my blog knows that I've advocated associating the independence issue with the current UK economic depression. If we'd pushed a 'Bankrupt Britain - Solvent Scotland' campaign before the Westminster election the party would have planted in the minds of the electorate two key seeds: Firstly, that Britain, unlike Scotland, is economically dying, secondly, that Labour destroyed the British economy. Before the election Brown had the media talking about 'recovery' - he used printed money to hide the UK's economic state long enough to get to the election (and he still lost).

Some of us knew that 'recovery' was baloney. What we have is not 'recession' or the new baloney 'double-dip recession' but systemic failure. Britain's economy was held up for over 30 years by oil and later by systemic fraud by The City of London. It's all coming crashing down now. That's not recession.

The SNP were in a fantastic position to exploit this with a bold 'Britain is Bankrupt' campaign. It didn't but it seems they are now waking up from their Holyrood slumbers and remembering why they exist:

the SNP would combine independence with the economy and stress that an independent Scotland could deal with the economic crisis without swingeing budget cuts.

Is it too little too late? For this campign to resonate in the minds of the electorate it should have been hammered home before the Westminster elections and her principle competitor Labour would now be on the ropes for 'ruining the economy'. The SNP would now be in the position of saying I told you so.. Instead Labour have wriggle-room:

"Alex Salmond, himself a former banker, can't bring himself to see that Labour used the strength of the UK to protect Scotland from complete economic meltdown like Iceland or Ireland."

I welcome Salmond's shift but it still seems a tad wooly. In rolling out this strategy you first have to establish that Labour broke Britain. That pins them down. This should be the dominant theme for the rest of the year. This also defends the SNP government which has to enforce cuts thanks to its reduced budget. In September and October there will be more economic shocks to come as the Summer is over and business realises that they have to revise down their expections. This means less predicted tax revenue and worsening unemployment. At that point the SNP bolts on it's 'Scotland is Solvent' line to the Labour destroyed Britain campaign. That way you have estabished that the UK is sinking into oblivion, Labour caused it and there's no need to take the pain in an independent Scotland. Going into the new year the party turns up the heat with a 'Britain is Bankrupt' campaign. Labour can't argue about protecting Scotland because they caused the UK's mess - a message already established. You've embedded distrust of Labour's message. For the rest of the campaign drive home the message that 'Independence means Jobs, Britain means bankruptcy'.

Yes, it's all very late in the day but a slick and focused media campaign might just swing it. It is interesting to note that many pathological leadership loyalists in the SNP were resisting championing independence and combining that idea with the economy. I've heard that now is a bad time to talk about independence. Clearly, there could not be a better time. I've heard about it being 'too negative'. Sorry but you can't help but make independence look attractive by demonstrating the ugliness of union. It will be interesting to see what these people have to say now that the SNP are waking up to reality.

Not that it matters. The leadership perhaps had a rude awakening from its members who were deeply concerned. Whatever the reason for the awakening, what matters is that nationalists can rally around a straight-talking campaign. I urge Salmond to send Swinney out to talk to boardrooms while sending Sturgeon, Neil and any other political bruisers he has at his disposal onto the tv and other public forums. Get on with the business of enlisting economists and business figures who'll back up the line etc.

This should be an epic campaign and so all resources should be poured into it. The mainstream media will make life difficult but their effectiveness wanes the more people smell the lies. An alternative media campaign should be funded and resourced. The SNP will find this a far more friendly environment and shouldn't underestimate its reach and influence on the mainstream.

The strategy is there. Deployed effectively it can be powerful and effective. There's no time to waste in mobilising all resources to the cause. This is a battle over our nation's future. Only imagination, straight-talking, intelligence and boldness will win it.

All those dismayed by the SNP's political conduct recently can now take courage. It's time to rally.

33 comments:

Mr. Mxyzptlk said...

Its way to late the snp have lost already the election is just a formality.

Alex and co have been corrupted by the westminster/holyrood way of life they realise the games is up this time..

but who knows if Labour lose the following election and the snp can climb back their ministerial cars etc and ride the scottish Parliament merry go round.

You have your silly rally we unionists are certain of one thing Alex and the snp will sell you out for a little power and influence at holyrood as opposed to being consigned to the margins of history
with the independence agenda.

Bob said...

Good try Alex but you're wasting your time.
The SNP have been 'found out' and it's not pretty.
Reneged on their referendum with some 'national conversation' bollox.
And they're still trousering £100K after selling taxpayer funded houses'
Eck has started telling porkies aswell. Assuming ( probably rightly) that folk don't even bother scrutinising his utterances.
His most recent porkie...
Re funding for the 'wave powered generator' in orkney......

In February 2010, the UK Carbon Trust awarded a £4m grant to Norway's Hammerfest Strom to build and test a 1MW tidal power device off Orkney.

In August 2010, Alex Salmond visits Norway and announces that Hammerfest Strom plans to "invest £4m in Scottish businesses" to build a tidal power device off Orkney and claims this is "a massive vote of confidence in the talent, expertise and infrastructure in Scotland".

How exactly does this funding circle display a Norwegian vote of confidence?

He got away with the planned destruction of our unique landscape with useless windmills so he knows he can say or do anything and no one will stop him. Or take him to task.

Alex Porter said...

@Mr. Mxyzptlk,
I thought the SNP were going to lose as well however I'd forgotten just how bad the competition is. Scots historically represented one-sixth the population of England. Since union that figure is now one-eleventh. The union is not consigning us to the margins of history but consigning us to history full stop.

Alex Porter said...

@Bob,
Well, the national conversation turned out to be daft right enough. I think it was well-intended but Ill-conceived. Did that have any impact on a 'referendum'? There's no way to get the legislation through to pass it. Wendy's plan was not backed by the party - she would have been sacked and the policy returned to usual!

As for the tidal power device, I'm not sure what the point is. Norweigian company gets a grant, the company uses the money, plus its own I imagine, and uses Scottish partners for the testing. That or the fact that Scottish employees would be required to install, build, man and maintain such technology should it prove concept.

Not really sure all this constitutes outright porky pie territory.

That aside, what kind of power plant hasn't had an adverse effect on Scotland's landscape? Coal plants and plants along the coast look ugly! Seriously ugly. Nuclear is an eyesore too.

I know you don't really like renewables but I think the problem is the lead time for the technology. Carbons are running out and that technology will have to be developed. Aside from that pollution is a real danger to health and ugly too.

Not sure the Orkney matter is going to seriously change the debate on Scotland's constitution..

I'm hoping that the SNP is getting its act together. For me an independent Scotland will be free to decide on issues like energy going forward. Scotland will be around a lot longer than the SNP!

Bob said...

" Norweigian company gets a grant, the company uses the money, plus its own I imagine, and uses Scottish partners for the testing."

I saw Salmond's comments on tv and thought 'heck maybe there's something in this tidal power and it's not really a scam after all. If a private company was willing to put in £4m then it has to be taken seriously.'

But being a suspicious type of person and knowing tidal power will never work ( repairs are too expensive and the moving joints can't handle the wave power) I spent 5 minutes and found out it was indeed just another scam.
Strom will invest no money in the project ( according to their website and energy company sites I checked). They will use UK taxpayers money and share it with a Spanish company trading as 'Scottish Power' to fanny about off Orkney.Then off Islay ( 10 more white elephants planned).
After Ecks statement most folk would have come away with the impression that Strom planned to invest in renewables so will think it's good. They won't bother to check.
I don't think our power stations have had a significant impact on the landscape. Relative to the coming white elephant superstructures that the SNP have planned they're insignificant.
Politicians like Salmond get around telling the truth by not telling untruths.

sm753 said...

From the Herald story:

"I don't want to see us again deploying a fantastic energy revolution in Scottish waters and finding out that somebody else gets all the benefits in revenue terms."

Er, what "benefits in revenue terms"?

Unlike oil, there are no specific taxes - and hence no revenues - on electricity production.

In fact it's worse than that - renewables are not economic, they only happen because they are subsidised by consumers via the Renewables Obligation.

Every new wind / wave / tidal thingy built puts our power bills UP.

Does the "Great Economist" really not understand this, or is he just lying through his teeth again?

cynicalHighlander said...

I see you've had some sad people visit you Alex with there spin and uniformed views.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-04-22/windmill-boom-curbs-electric-power-prices.html

They also ignore the environmental damage created by conventional power generation but they don't mind because its not on there doorstep.

http://www.articlesbase.com/science-articles/problems-of-uranium-mining-762482.html

The membership of the SNP is on the increase as the truth of how Scotland has been mistreated for hundreds of years.

Alex Porter said...

@CH,
Excellent Bloomberg article, thanks.

I don't think Bob is sad. He knows a shed-load on the subject which is useful regardless of his motivations.


I do agree that he overlooks the damage caused by conventional power and doesn't factor that in. It would be interesting to hear his response to the article you posted and also hear how wind compares to say coal in terms of environmental impact.

On the subject though I'm truly impressed that the SNP's membership is growing. I don't know if that's disaffection with UK politics, simply that Labour is a disgrace in Scotland and beyond, that Scots are becoming more inclined towards independence or that the SNP are playing a blinder.

I don't think it's the latter and it makes you wonder what untapped support there is if they were.

Anyhow, praise be that Salmond is back on track. I'll be watching to see if he's sent out the message to go on the offensive and how articulate and co-ordinated the campaign is!

Bob said...

Thanks for saying I'm not sad Alex ;)
Cynical Highlander is the sort of person that Eckie loves. Believes anything he reads and omits to see what's not mentioned in the article.
The article forgot to mention 'subsidies'.
German windfarms enjoy amongst the highest subsidies in the renewables scam. When the wind doesn't blow the suppliers are guaranteed a 20% taxpayer subsidy.
Also due to the inconsistent nature of wind power 5 more coal fired power stations are being built in Germany to cover the surge and reduction in output...


" Campbell Dunford, director of the Renewable Energy Foundation (REF), says that Germany – which has the largest number of wind turbines in Europe – “is building five new coal power stations, which it does not otherwise need, purely to provide covering power for the fluctuations from their wind farms"


This fluctuation also means that the German grid is wobbling under the pressure of varying output.

The EU will put in £8Bn in windfarm subsidies by 2013.


Sources (inc Bloomberg)..

http://alleghenytreasures.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/bloomberg-german-wind-farm-growth-threatens-power-grid-handelsblatt-says/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/7823681/Does-money-grow-in-wind-farms.html

http://www.eenews.net/public/climatewire/2010/02/24/1

Bob said...

Oh cynical also said..

" They also ignore the environmental damage created by conventional power generation but they don't mind because its not on there doorstep."

I've got an environmantal disaster on my doorstep. The largest windfarm in Scotland. 20 square miles of devastated moorland. Full of windmills that caused damage when they were built and will cause damage when they're replaced. The SNP are going to build hundreds of these things across Scotland and on our seas.
Plus as mentioned previously we will need more convential power stations to cover the fluctuating nature of windpower.
The damage wrought by the SNP is incalculable.

cynicalHighlander said...

The number of new visitors to http://newsnetscotland.com/ who have indicated that they are signing up to the SNP is my only indicator as they are so impressed by the journalistic professionalism being produced by unpaid people.

The energy arguement is one I have great difficulty in understanding how they can be sucked in by the industries propoganda. The fuel is the energy and if one gets that energy for free to provide the power the common sense tells you to capture it by whatever means.

The other thing they miss/avoid is that the more intricate the technoligy the more energy is lost in creating the end product. Doing something simply is far more efficient in the long/short term, I blame too much reality tv.

cynicalHighlander said...

Hi Bob can you tell me if a nuclear power station is a stand alone power generator? Can you name any station which does not receive public subsidy?

Coal power stations are 34%-37% efficient that is 60+% lost up the chimney.

As to the damage caused by AS and the windfarms to the environment, that is untrue if one thinks about it.

People want electricity and as the population increases so one has to increase that generating power to satisfy that extra demand. Don't forget you are still paying for the electricity I used back in the 50's why no noise about that. I have windfarms up here and quite like the thought that people in other countries are not suffering for my actions.

We live on a finite planet and our conventional fuels are running out so we either use less electricity per capita or put up with power generation which is provided by natural forces.

Alex Porter said...

Interesting article on the Chinese below. They're getting into renewables in a big way. If we had the technology that would be a huge growth market for Scottish companies with renewable expertise:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67Q0Y520100827

The idea in Scandanavia that you pump water using wind power into a reservoir that you then use as hydro when the wind stops blowing sounds interesting.

It seems that electricity distribution is complicated. Subsidies are necessary in terms of moving from energy source to another including the infrastructural costs involved in developing the grid.

It seems that grids are what cause volitility. With an effective grid I can't see why wind can't compete effectively, without subsidy and without needing coal-powered back up. I think the problem in Germany is a short-term solution, no?

Getting the subsidies right is definately a major issue! However the state has always been involved in investing in large-scale energy projects.

I'll be studying all this material. The energy debate is absorbing right enough :O)

cynicalHighlander said...

"I'll be studying all this material. The energy debate is absorbing right enough :O)"

Alex its a complex issue as we were at the fore front in the begining and the UK is stuck in that mode of we know best.

AC big loss in transmission DC minimal loss. 240 volts is not as efficient as lower voltages and our grid is still working nationally rather than locally all increasing the general inefficiency. These things will never be sorted as we just keep trying to improve a flawed infrastructure rather than redraw from scratch and work towards that.

Everything is controlled by the price and availability of oil, interesting times are ahead.

Gaavster said...
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Gaavster said...

As regards the windfarms issue and their efficiency.

I got really friendly with one of the Siemens engineers who have built and constructed amongst other sites, the one at Greenlees.

As he explained to me, the wind turbines are currently running at about 20% of their capacity....

The problems lie in the grid.

He told me that the lack of investment over the last 30 or 40 years in the grid network was the real issue.

If that was adressed, the outputs from wind generation would spiral...

Alex Porter said...

Yeh, I recently did a course with Iberdrola (Scottish Power) engineers and they told me the windmills's technology had improved so quickly they can already be seen as cost-effective. I'm sure the technology will continue to improve. I dunno about off-shore though - that may take longer as the technology being used is still on-shore.

I do believe that environmental considerations should be taken into account where possible although I think there does come a point where you have to balance energy needs with environmental impact.

I think a small fraction of the bail-out money would upgrade the grid no problem.

Bob said...

cynical..

All power stations require subsidies. And all power stations are linked into the national grid.
The national grid power lines are up to 400,000volts and not 240v. You're getting mixed up with the domestic 240v which has gone through various substations and transformers to make it a useable domestic voltage.
Windfarms operate around 13% efficiency and the large farm in Cumbria managed to get to 26% twice in 4 years. About a third efficient compared to convential power stations.
Plus don't forget you will need more convential power stations as you increase the number of windmills. ( as the wind drops and rises the convential power stations are put under immense strain to surge and then switch back down again.) The grid life is also shortened due to the stress.
Our 2,000 windmills provide about 1.5% of our energy needs ( assuming the wind blows). We will need another 20,000 or so in order to meet the windmill share of renewables by 2020.
Windfarms are a major cause of environmental damage. Rural areas need to be cleared of trees for roads and thousands of acres of moorland are dug down to rock to allow proper concreting of the supports. The windmills kill large birds. The windmills need to be transported and manufactured. They require more power stations to be built in order to compensate for the power surges and shutdowns.
Scotland is a net exporter of energy but this will change when we rely on windmills.
We have enough fossil fuels to last hundreds of years. 200 square miles of coal under the River Forth alone. We also have the advantage of hydro.

Alex..

I read that article and didn't see anywhere where it said the chinese would actually do anything. They did mention building 5 nuclear power stations and more coal fired power stations ( currently running at one a week).
I suspect it will be like the CDM scam. There they are stealing £18Bn from the West for 'destroying CFC's"
This is called the Clean Development Mechanism or CDM.
We pay China to destroy their CFC's etc ( a byproduct of their industry).
Guess what ? When we started to pay the number of CFC's needing destroyed went up and up. Funny that eh...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7969102/The-Clean-Development-Mechanism-delivers-the-greatest-green-scam-of-all.html

Bob said...

cynical..

All power stations require subsidies. And all power stations are linked into the national grid.
The national grid power lines are up to 400,000volts and not 240v. You're getting mixed up with the domestic 240v which has gone through various substations and transformers to make it a useable domestic voltage.
Windfarms operate around 13% efficiency and the large farm in Cumbria managed to get to 26% twice in 4 years. About a third efficient compared to convential power stations.
Plus don't forget you will need more convential power stations as you increase the number of windmills. ( as the wind drops and rises the convential power stations are put under immense strain to surge and then switch back down again.) The grid life is also shortened due to the stress.
Our 2,000 windmills provide about 1.5% of our energy needs ( assuming the wind blows). We will need another 20,000 or so in order to meet the windmill share of renewables by 2020.
Windfarms are a major cause of environmental damage. Rural areas need to be cleared of trees for roads and thousands of acres of moorland are dug down to rock to allow proper concreting of the supports. The windmills kill large birds. The windmills need to be transported and manufactured. They require more power stations to be built in order to compensate for the power surges and shutdowns.
Scotland is a net exporter of energy but this will change when we rely on windmills.
We have enough fossil fuels to last hundreds of years. 200 square miles of coal under the River Forth alone. We also have the advantage of hydro.

Anonymous said...

Alex..

I read that article and didn't see anywhere where it said the chinese would actually do anything. They did mention building 5 nuclear power stations and more coal fired power stations ( currently running at one a week).
I suspect it will be like the CDM scam. There they are stealing £18Bn from the West for 'destroying CFC's"
This is called the Clean Development Mechanism or CDM.
We pay China to destroy their CFC's etc ( a byproduct of their industry).
Guess what ? When we started to pay the number of CFC's needing destroyed went up and up. Funny that eh...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7969102/The-Clean-Development-Mechanism-delivers-the-greatest-green-scam-of-all.html

Bob said...

Managed to repeat myself - oops.
None the worse for telling it twice I suppose.

cynicalHighlander said...

Bob

No one disputes the subsidy but some are more equal than others and nuclear is so far out in front its mindbogling.

I am well aware of various transmission voltages but what I am trying to point out is all these step up/down transformers needed to transfer electricity hundreds of miles away increases its inefficiency in heat loss etc. The grid needs changing to allow local power generation to be used locally and any surplus to add to the pool not thrown into an inefficient system as first port of call.

A link to your 13% might help back up that assertion as the lowest I have seen is in the low 20%. Just because the wind isn't blowing in your area doesn't mean its not blowing just down the road. Tidal is a reliable energy source and harnessing that is the way forward. As to environmental damage http://www.gabpg.org.au/olympic-dam-eis-impact-of-the-worlds-biggest-mine and re killing big birds is a spoof as electricity transmission lines kill more and they don't move.

I suppose other power plants are magically slotted into place and its only windmills that have to be built.

Can you give the link to hundreds of years of finite resources remaining and economically accessible as we used to get 100 barrels of oil for every barrel used that ratio is now down to 1 in 10.

That coal will never be recoverd under the Forth as the world is running out of energy fast EROI and EROIE!

Bob said...

cynical..

" A link to your 13% might help back up that assertion as the lowest I have seen is in the low 20%. "

It was down to 7.9%. Worse than I thought..

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7069938.ece

" killing big birds is a spoof"
Tell this turkey...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na6HxKQQsAM&feature=related

" That coal will never be recoverd under the Forth as the world is running out of energy fast EROI and EROIE!"

Better tell these guys then..

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Scotland-plugs--into-Forth.6329104.jp

Bob said...

cynical..

" No one disputes the subsidy but some are more equal than others and nuclear is so far out in front its mindbogling."

Could you give me a link to your source ?
Energy security is expensive unfortunately. The French have bitten the bullet and gone for nuclear with 78% of their energy provided by nuclear. We'll build follies for ten years then have to get the French to build us some nuclear power stations.
EDF energy of France ( who bought British Energy)provide a quarter of the UK's electricity from their nuclear plants.
That fool '7 homes Hulme' Huhne cancelled Forgemasters nuclear parts capacity so we will need help from abroad in future. Might be expensive as EDF aren't a charity.

source..

http://www.edfenergy.com/media-centre/press-news/EDF-Energy-begins-nuclear-land-sale-process.shtml

" I am well aware of various transmission voltages but what I am trying to point out is all these step up/down transformers needed to transfer electricity hundreds of miles away increases its inefficiency in heat loss etc."

If you are well aware of power transmission then you must know that electricity needs to be stepped up and down to be useful to anyone.
The problem with 'renewables' is that their sources are miles away from where anyone lives and are at their peak when no one wants them ( night time gales through the highlands) so need 137 miles of pylons etc.

" Tidal is a reliable energy source"
Can you give me a link to your source ?

" electricity transmission lines kill more [ birds]and they don't move."

Maybe another reason for putting the beauly denny line underground ? 137miles of lines, 600 pylons at twice the present height and going through national parks and passed iconic mouments.
Our Minister Mr Mather 'hoped' that the power companies would put some cables underground but can't force them. This is obviously wrong and the SNP just want the thing up and running as soon as possible. The London Olympics have already managed to bury 12kms of high voltage cables with no apparent problem.

additional sources..

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Bill-Jamieson-Beauly--Denny.5965845.jp

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport-environment/power-line-could-have-been-built-underground-says-inquiry-1.997285

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4175624.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

http://www.cairngormsagainstpylons.org/media.html

cynicalHighlander said...

Bob
Taken from the comments
What kills birds?
Windows- 100 to 900
House cats- 100 million
Autos- 50 to 100 million
Electric line collisions- 150 million
Agriculture- 65 million
Communication towers- 5 to 10 million
Hunting- 100+ million

My windows have killed a pair of songthrushes,a siskin and a chaffinch this year so far, plus a glancing blow by a sparrowhawk.

Re subsidies.
http://www.no2nuclearpower.org.uk/reports/Nuclear_Subsidies.pdf
French nuclear
http://www.psr.org/nuclear-bailout/resources/nuclear-power-in-france-setting.pdf
Safety
http://www.openengineering.talktalk.net/OeNuclear_News_en.html

From today's P&J
New milestone generates optimism for wind power
http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1895687?UserKey=

We can trade links pro or against allday which will achieve nothing so we will have to agree to diagree except on The Denny line as it should of been routed around the NEast avoiding the controversy.

Bob said...

cynical..

Yeah we'd better agree to disagree. I now feel safe because (acording to the P&J ) once at 8am on a Sunday morning ( with a hurricane blowing) I was able to boil a kettle using windmill power ;)
Oh could you open the windows and stop killing all those birds by the way ! Do you live in a treehouse or something ?

cynicalHighlander said...

Bob

http://quirkynats.freeforums.org/local-pictures-t213.html

Bob said...

cynical..

Nice pics. That was some snow !
Must be global warming.
Quick, build some more windmills ;)

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